These are not sandwiches

"Xyl0c41n3" (i-am-xyl0c41n3) 06/06/2016 at 18:07 • Filed to: Keep Oppo OMNOMNOM

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They are Mexican tortas and lonches. Where El Uly at? He can confirm. :D

Blondude > Xyl0c41n3 06/06/2016 at 18:15

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A sandwich is a sandwich, regardless of place of origin.

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > Xyl0c41n3 06/06/2016 at 18:17

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Tortas are sandwiches... Sandwiches of the gods.

Curse my pale skin that burns in minutes of direct sunlight! You are depriving me of delicious Mexican food.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > Xyl0c41n3 06/06/2016 at 18:17

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This is a good idea for food tonight.

Xyl0c41n3 > Blondude 06/06/2016 at 18:27

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Or.... Not.

haveacarortwoorthree2 > Xyl0c41n3 06/06/2016 at 18:29

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But is a hot dog a sandwich? And has anyone heard the Blackbird speed check story?

Blondude > Blondude 06/06/2016 at 18:33

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Dammit Kinja

Blondude > Xyl0c41n3 06/06/2016 at 18:33

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torta#Mex…

Your boy, BJR > Xyl0c41n3 06/06/2016 at 18:35

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In America, we call them sandwiches goddamnit!

Xyl0c41n3 > haveacarortwoorthree2 06/06/2016 at 18:36

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A hot dog is a sandwich in torpedo form.

r_g_r > Xyl0c41n3 06/06/2016 at 18:36

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I can confirm. I live in Gudalajara, where we dip our tortas in tomato sauce.

Xyl0c41n3 > Blondude 06/06/2016 at 18:36

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Oh honey. First you miss the joke, then you purport to educate me on the food of my people. Just stop already. Quit while you're already five steps behind.

Xyl0c41n3 > r_g_r 06/06/2016 at 18:37

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*Homer Simpson drool gif*

Oh man, that sounds amazing. Will have to try that next time I have a torta.

Brian, The Life of > Xyl0c41n3 06/06/2016 at 18:38

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Oh God ... lonches bañados ...

I need to get back to Guadalajara. Lonches Karlos is heaven on Earth.

Xyl0c41n3 > Brian, The Life of 06/06/2016 at 18:40

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I used to work minutes from Mexico. My coworkers used to run across the border to bring us all lonches. It was amazing. :)

Brian, The Life of > Xyl0c41n3 06/06/2016 at 18:45

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If you ever find yourself there ... you’ll thank me ;)

http://loncheskarlos.com/

Officer Jim Lahey is not a real cop > Xyl0c41n3 06/06/2016 at 19:12

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Tortas are the shizz

JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! > Blondude 06/06/2016 at 19:41

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. Kinjad

Ignore

JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! > Blondude 06/06/2016 at 19:42

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I hate Kinja

Flies With Thunderbirds > Blondude 06/06/2016 at 19:43

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Youare the most condescending, repulsive, arrogant, and horrible person to ever interact on kinja. Nothing you ever have to say is positive in any way and I guarantee I am not the only person who is tired of it. Donald Fucking Trump is more agreeable than you. Please adjust your god damned attitude and make Oppo a fun space again.

JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! > Flies With Thunderbirds 06/06/2016 at 19:45

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Kinja got you to. You replied to the wrong person

Flies With Thunderbirds > Blondude 06/06/2016 at 19:46

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Mycomment got kinja’d

Flies With Thunderbirds > Xyl0c41n3 06/06/2016 at 19:48

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You are the most condescending, repulsive, arrogant, and horrible person to ever interact on kinja. Nothing you ever have to say is positive in any way and I guarantee I am not the only person who is tired of it. Donald Fucking Trump is more agreeable than you. Please adjust your god damned attitude and make Oppo a fun space again.

JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! > Xyl0c41n3 06/06/2016 at 19:50

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I didn’t realize even you could get offended and be condescending about sandwiches

Xyl0c41n3 > Flies With Thunderbirds 06/06/2016 at 19:52

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Love you, too, boo!

Xyl0c41n3 > JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! 06/06/2016 at 19:54

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Thanks, ace!

Xyl0c41n3 > Blondude 06/06/2016 at 19:58

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Kinja has struck us all, apparently. Please ignore.

Xyl0c41n3 > JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! 06/06/2016 at 19:58

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You seem to grace an awful lot of my posts with your presence and ever so cogent commentary. One would almost think you like bitching about me on my posts. Surely you wouldn’t be guilty of doing the same thing you constantly accuse *me* of, though. Surely not. The irony would be too funny otherwise.

Xyl0c41n3 > Your boy, BJR 06/06/2016 at 20:04

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Do you call a cannoli a rolled pastry?

This is America, where there is no recognized national language and where our citizens and residents are comprised of hundreds of cultures from dozens of countries.

I'll keep calling cannolis cannolis, you can keep calling tortas tortas.

Your boy, BJR > Xyl0c41n3 06/06/2016 at 20:06

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No. Because a cannoli is a cannoli. I was actually asking my manager (a Mexican American woman) what tortas were about an hour before this sandwich thing kicked off. She said “Mexican sandwiches.”

yamahog > Xyl0c41n3 06/06/2016 at 20:13

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fuckin love tortas <333

Rico > Xyl0c41n3 06/06/2016 at 20:14

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Is it really that easy to go back and forth? I figured going and coming would take a hours because of customs and whatnot. Can you really say to the Border folks “Bout to grab some lunch, ya want anything on my way back?”

Xyl0c41n3 > Your boy, BJR 06/06/2016 at 20:16

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What is the plural of cannoli? Is it just cannoli? Or is it cannolis or cannolies? My autocorrect is not helping.

Also, yeah... They’re made with bread and some sort of meat filling, so yeah, to an American I would explain them as Mexican sandwiches, but they’re still tortas.

It would be like explaining to a Mexican that a hamburger is “an American torta.” Well, yeah, it is.

But it’s *still* a hamburger. (It’s also a sandwich, too). People at McDonald's would look at me funny if I tried to order a torta instead of quarter pounder with cheese.

Xyl0c41n3 > Rico 06/06/2016 at 20:20

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Depends on the border crossing. Lots of them have pedestrian accesses, so you can park your car on the American side and just walk across, forgoing all the traffic waits.

And it was still relatively easy even after they passed the passport law. If you at least had your American birth certificate, re-entry was only a slightly more difficult hassle. But now I hear they’re getting stricter about that and really starting to demand passports.

I dunno myself, at least not on a personal level anymore. I haven’t crossed in a while.

Rico > Xyl0c41n3 06/06/2016 at 20:24

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Yeah I know the crime has increased, I feel bad for those innocent people caught in the middle. And I didn't think it would be THAT easy but seems pretty simple especially if you can just walk over after parking. I've only seen images of long wait lines in cars so I didn't even think they'd have pedestrian access ways which is awesome.

Your boy, BJR > Xyl0c41n3 06/06/2016 at 20:25

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I say cannolis, but that’s NJ Italian. Idk if Italian Italian is different.

NJ Italian also pronounces capicola as gabagool, ricotta as rah-got, Mozzerella as moozadel, pruschutto as pra-jzhut, and so on and so forth

JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! > Xyl0c41n3 06/06/2016 at 20:30

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Oh honey, just like you enjoy showing up and commenting on things you dont need to, I too do the same.

A lot of people around these parts just roll their eyes at your bs comments; I just enjoy responding.

Xyl0c41n3 > JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! 06/06/2016 at 20:40

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This is my post. I didn’t show up to comment on some random shit. You ever notice that I never comment on any of your posts? Because I stay away from you. Yet time and again you involve yourself in conversations with me just to tell me what a bitch I am. Hell, now there’s even a dude resurrecting two year old burners to do the same thing. It’s pretty fucking pathetic.

Sorry, but I won’t shut up about racism or sexism on Oppo. But don’t you have a CL post to author about how hard life is?

JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! > Xyl0c41n3 06/06/2016 at 20:52

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I only showed up because you got snippy with Blondude earlier on over some meaningless shit. Just like you try and protect people on here, I try and help people I am either friends with or support here.

And never have I once called you a bitch. My parents raised me well enough to not call anyone that.

Its one thing to fight for what is right. And sometimes you have been justified. But times like these all you do is make commenting unwelcoming because you talk down to anyone who disagrees in the slightest with you , even on something as dumb as meat and cheese between two pieces of bread.

yamahog > Xyl0c41n3 06/06/2016 at 20:53

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just dismiss their shit and go about your business.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Xyl0c41n3 06/06/2016 at 20:57

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I give no fucks what y’all call it that looks delicious and now I’m hungry.

Gibe pls

Xyl0c41n3 > JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! 06/06/2016 at 21:00

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But it’s not just meat and cheese two pieces of bread. It’s easy for you to say debating the sandwich-ness of tortas is NBD because it’s not your culture that is being erased.

And in the larger conversation, it’s not your culture that is being demonized every day by leadership within this country (and a presumptive presidential nominee, as well).

The words matter. Are tortas a type of sandwich? Yeah. They are. Should they be *called* sandwiches (especially if you know their label is “torta”)? No. They should not.

For lots of reasons. For one, the culture that created them doesn’t refer to them as sandwiches. It created and named them “tortas.” (There IS a Spanish slang word for sandwich, btw).

It would be like if your real life name was James but I kept calling you Santiago. Santiago is the Spanish translation of James. But Santiago isn’t your name.

It’s not only rude, but disrespectful and insulting to your identity, your culture and your race to keep referring to you as Santiago.

You have the luxury of not being any of the targets of oppression in this country. You’re not a POC. You’re not a woman. You’re not (relatively speaking) poor or empoverished. As someone in your position, you don’t have the right to dictate when (or how) a person decides to say “this is not ok. I will not let this erasure stand.”

Xyl0c41n3 > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 06/06/2016 at 21:05

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*Fixes Jake a plate*

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Xyl0c41n3 06/06/2016 at 21:09

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This will make my poops the bad poops, but I am willing to accept that.

...oh, it’s not TMI Tuesday anymore? darnit

yamahog > Your boy, BJR 06/06/2016 at 21:24

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eyyyyyyy!!

I also had to tell Travis that cannolis would be non-negotiable for our wedding, my dad may try to import some from Arthur Ave, and not to worry about the registry because my side of the family is probably giving us envelopes of cash anyway.

Blunion05 drives a pink S2000 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) > Xyl0c41n3 06/06/2016 at 22:06

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Mexican subway sandwich, woohoo!

Xyl0c41n3 > Blunion05 drives a pink S2000 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) 06/06/2016 at 22:15

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Lol.

Dude... Where ya been? You been staying dry/afloat in all the rain?

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > Xyl0c41n3 06/06/2016 at 22:19

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That 2nd picture there is a Del Rey from Los Reyes De La Torta in Arizona. Per their menu, “Ham, melted cheese, pork sirloin, breaded beef, omelet, sausage and Mexican sausage come with tomato, onions, avocado, chipotle sauce, smear of refried beans and potatoes ruffles on the side.”

And trust me, it tastes 10x better than it looks. Particularly with a nice big cup of horchata.

Xyl0c41n3 > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 06/06/2016 at 22:28

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Damnit. As if all these sandwiches weren't already making me hungry, now I'm craving some ice cold, creamy horchata. Heh. (Seriously, it's one of my fave things ever).

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > Xyl0c41n3 06/06/2016 at 22:32

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There was an awesome place a short walk from my last apartment in Scottsdale called America’s Taco Shop. A perfect Sunday would involve my roommate and I getting up around 10, walking over there to get some chorizo tacos and a large horchata, drink half of the horchata walking home, fill that half back up with Sailor Jerry’s, and then just go lay by the pool the rest of the day.

DasWauto > Xyl0c41n3 06/06/2016 at 22:52

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I’m trying to reply to you here: http://oppositelock.kinja.com/but-it-s-not-j… but Kinja’s having none of that.

Anyway, here goes.

I think you’re being exceedingly cynical here.

When you title this post ‘these are not sandwiches’ you invite the argument that tortas and lonches are types of sandwiches (you acknowledged that in the comment I’m trying to reply to).

To call Blondude saying as much erasure or oppression of culture is taking a very pessimistic view of the intentions of that comment. He’s merely saying that they are sandwiches, not that people should call them that.

You don’t need to get so immediately combative and condescending . It’s not nice, and it is why people like JQJ and Flies With Thunderbirds react to you cynically in kind.

Please take a little more care in knowing what is meant by a comment before reacting combatively. It isn’t necessary to presume negative intent so often.

Also, Tortas and Lonches look delicious. I may be in San Diego for a bachelor party this summer, I’m gonna have to try to enjoy some of those when I’m there.

Xyl0c41n3 > DasWauto 06/06/2016 at 22:54

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*sigh*

*rolls eyes*

DasWauto > Xyl0c41n3 06/06/2016 at 22:59

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If you think I’m wrong in some way, please, say so. I’m trying to converse with you to resolve issues. This dismissiveness isn’t helping.

/Not sure if this reply is going in the right place but I’m also trying to reply to JQJ and Flies With Thunderbirds but it doesn’t seem to want to let me do that.

/trying to reply to this

Your boy, BJR > yamahog 06/06/2016 at 23:05

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Wait what's a registry? There's people that DONT give envelopes of cash?

DasWauto > Flies With Thunderbirds 06/06/2016 at 23:07

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If you take issue with the way someone handles themselves around here, please use the flags to point out such issues to the mods or email us directly. Replying as you did only serves to pick fights and that type of interaction is not encouraged, to say the least.

r_g_r > Xyl0c41n3 06/06/2016 at 23:20

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They're called 'Torta ahogada'. It's a dipped pork sandwich (salty bun). Tipical dish from Guadalajara

Brian, The Life of > Xyl0c41n3 06/06/2016 at 23:52

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I always get the English/Spanish name equivalents confused when it comes to James and Jaime/Diego/Santiago

Blunion05 drives a pink S2000 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) > Xyl0c41n3 06/07/2016 at 02:04

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I’ve been studying to be certified with Cisco Networking and meanwhile trying to not float away.

disclaimer: not me

Flies With Thunderbirds > DasWauto 06/07/2016 at 07:27

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My apologies, I’ll handle it better in future.

lyinboutdemtangs > JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! 06/24/2016 at 15:54

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Dude, she is also a HUGE liar. She lies about so much I wonder how she keeps up. She has, over the years here, claimed to be a black woman working as a newspaper editor and now she’s latina or hispanic and a magazine writer. Every damn time Gawker writes something about journalism she has to chime in with her “AS A PROFESSIONAL NEWS MEDIA PERSON” which is so pathetic. No one working as a reporter has time to comment as much as she does. She’s a liar. She is the most full of shit person you will ever meet on this forum. Good for you for sticking up for decent people who just want to enjoy these forums and are tired of the crap.

lyinboutdemtangs > Flies With Thunderbirds 06/24/2016 at 16:34

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She absolutely is. She has alienated people on Groupthink which is why she moved to Clashtalk and here. I have never seen anyone so vile on this site. And yeah I’m including all the crazy trolls. She is nasty and deliberately starts shit so she can call people bigots and racists if they disagree with her. The. Worst.